It is natural for Muslims to believe that there is a "Plural of Respect" in the Bible. That's like the "Royal we", as in the well-known phrase "We are not amused", where it is just the queen speaking.
Muslims readily believe this is because, in the Quran, Allah likes to refer to himself in the plural for some reason.
I have seen this come up when talking to Muslims in these two situations:
Explaining the Trinity from the Old Testament ("Let us create man in our image").
Mohammed in the Song of Solomon 5:16 ("Muhammedim"), part of the attempt to show that Muhammed is in the Bible.
The response is that this "plural of respect" does not exist in the Old Testament, in the sense that you do not see any kings (or anyone else) refer to themselves in the plural form.
Also this way of addressing God, or anyone, in the plural, is never found in the New Testament.
Wednesday, May 6, 2015
Monday, April 13, 2015
Earliest Corinthians Manuscript Discovered, Earliest Epistle To The Romans By 140+ Years [Josh McDowell]
https://youtu.be/wJ5JXDct04Q
Narrator:
There is actually a lot more details as to what was discovered with the new Mark papari, so I want to play this section of this video here where Josh McDowell explains a little bit about the process that they used and what are some of the texts that they discovered. It's really fascinating.
Josh:
This is the first day that I can show you this publicly. Here's those masks: look at that...
[0:30]That would fit over the head. All the paint you see there, girls, is actually gold.
Now, in a little bit I'm going to show you how we wash that gold right down the sink.
[0:42] Show the other one that goes with it...
In that mask are manuscripts. you say what?? Oh yeah, classical, biblical, old testament, New Testament.
Why? Well, they had professional people at the morgues, and they would go out, when they had a... they would go out into the community, into the trash to homes, into the businesses, and they would collect manuscripts.
[1:14]
Some of it was just town meetings, statistics, anything like that that was of manuscript form that was on papyrus.
And then they would take, and the way we would understand it, they would use it as "paper mache".
They would make these, you can almost say it is "papari mache". It's paper mache done with paparus.
[1:36]
and they would do four manuscripts, a layer of silk, another four manuscrpts, and a layer of silk
[1:40]
Now here is how you know the dating, for one: These masks were only done from 150 BC to 125 AD.
So you realize, any manuscripts in there are the oldest ever seen by human eyes?
That's the first time in 2000 years human eyes have seen these manuscripts.
[2:08]
It was in here that was discovered: Mark, the oldest ever discovered, back to the first century.
Before then it was 120 to 142, the John Ryland papyri.
[2:18]
Now, what you do, is you take these masks, scholars die when they hear it, but we own them, so we can do it,
we take these manuscripts, we soak them in water..! There is a process we use with huge microwaves to do it,
but it's not quite as good.
We put it down into water, can you put it up here too?
[2:39]
[mask in sink]
We put it down into water at a certain temperature, and you can only use Palmolive soap--the rest will start to destroy the manuscripts--Palmolive soap won't.
[2:52]
And you start massaging it for about 30 to 40 minutes.
You pull it out, and wring it out..these things are literally worth millions!
And you put it back in for about 30 to 40 minutes, and you pull it out, and this is what it will look like, just like a gob, it looks like a cattle.. a cow's head.
But that's all papyrus manuscripts, folks. Over 2000 years old.
And you start pulling it apart. You say "what??". yeah.
They are layered on top of each other. you start pulling them apart..keep going.
See, most scholars have never touched a manuscript, you have to have glove on and everything... here we just wash them,
and hold them in our hands. We don't
even make you wash your hands before.
[3:39]
See this is a manuscript right there.
A manuscript, by definition, is not an entire book.
It's a portion of a book. It can be just a little piece, to... we have one now that's 38 pages on Corinthians. Probably a greater discovery than the dead sea scrolls.
And, keep going...
[3:56]
Narrator:
Wow, did you just hear that? A whole..practically a whole scroll on Corinthians, he says. A greater discovery than the dead sea scrolls.
I imagine it is. Wow.
When we see that, it's going to be incredible.
[4:12]
This is all.., now, see my hand in the right hand [corner]... that's a pair of tweezers
And you take those tweezers and you start to pull those layers of manuscripts off.
I was so scared the first time I did it. It was last January. Or no, it was a little bit before then
[4:34]
"what if you tear it"? they said, "well, then you tear it.". Since we own it, it's OK.
So you pull the manuscripts off.
[4:45]
See, that in the center is red-lettered.
That's a very rare discovery. It's called a red-lettered Greek New Testament.
There are some of those big red letters were put across to identify it and everything.
Keep going here...
Now this here.. I'm down [there] and we have three classical scholars brought in because I'm not a classical scholar.
And they were there to help me to understand what we were doing.
[5:08]
So I called one of them over and I said, "I don't know... what do you think this is?"
[5:11]
He says, "Josh, there is another layer underneath."
"No there isn't"
"Josh, another layer".
So we soaked it in water just for a while, and start peeling it off That there is the oldest copy of the book of Romans by 125 years ever discovered.
[5:30]
Shots a hole in every liberal theology about Romans and when it was written and everything.
[5:36]
Narrator:
Yep, say bye-bye to higher criticism.
That's absolutely incredible right there, what he just said.
A hundred and some-odd years greater than the existing book of Romans we have.
Incredible!
The Lord is good!
He is doing marvelous things!
Keep listening:
[5:57]
It's incredible, and now I was so thankful,I mean,
if you're a scholar (and I am not), but if you are a scholar and you discover one manuscript like and that your name is put on it,
that makes your entire career--no! it literally is what you call a career maker.
Any one of these manuscripts is a career maker.
[6:19]
And the top scholar in the world was in my office the other day, and he brought in some new discoveries to look at and we're planning on doing two more of these masks December 5th and 6th
and he said, "Josh, I hate to say this, to you, but in the last mask, we broke your record.
We took it back another 25 years. The book of Romans. wow! Folks, do you realize what this means for the word of God?
[6:43]
It was hidden beneath another layer!
And then I'm doing this and I come across this one and it is very clear and well-done
and there were numbers between the two lines down here. So I call over this one scholar
and I say, you know, I'm not quite sure what this means, and he says haaaah!
You have just uncovered the first ever book one, page one of the Iliad by Homer.
And the first number said what book it was and the second said what page.
Folks, that's like dying and going to heaven.
[7:15]
And then, just keep going to the manuscripts here.
These are all out of one manuscript. Just keep going. Look at that!
This is incredible. 17 in six hours uncovered.
These are just biblical manuscripts.
and many other 30 some total manuscripts of the Iliad, and Homer, Sappho, some of you know the writer Sappho.
[7:50]
See there, how it just peels off. That's my finger underneath the one on the left there.
And you just peel them away.
[7:52]
Narrator:
You remember, some of you might have seen the debate between Wallace and Ehrman, and Wallace was saying that these discoveries had come to light, and Ehrman was kind of just sitting there wondering.
And since Bart Ehrman is probably the most popular higher critic of the day,
it's going to be really interesting to see what he says now.
Hopefully his doubts will go away.
[8:21]
Josh:
And then of course we put them in between paper towels, you dry it.
and you put it in glass to protect them.
The problem is, you can't ship these things in the mail, they are too valuable.
you have to pay all the expense of someone to fly with them.
You have got to keep someone with them, they are so valuable.
And have them dated and everything by Cambridge and Oxford, which are the top two in the world.
[8:46]
Narrator:
All right, so that's a little tid-bit of some more manuscripts.
The earliest book of Romans. That's so important because Paul outlines the gospel,
and, you know the book of Romans also is the refutation of roman Catholicism.
The gospel of grace is documented in the book of Romans.
[9:11]
so, again apart from the variants, if there are any in these manuscripts,
time will tell,
[9:19]
but from what they are saying, preliminary,
these are about as good as it gets
[9:25]
right now so we wanted to present this additional data
we're going to put this in our playlist on biblical evidence and facts,
[9:39]
and so we wanted to show you this little clip here
and tell you it's a great time to be alive.
The Bible is being confirmed,
(not that we who have living faith really needed it,)
[9:48]
but there are those again, as we've said,
that have been mind-controlled
by the public school educational brainwashing
[9:58]
which it really what it is, we have to say it honestly and sincerely,
people are being mind-controlled
[10:07]
in public education and it's all come down to us
by liberal higher critic scholars out of Germany after the reformation
[10:13]
and then this was swallowed, hook, line and sinker throughout the decades
and eventually led to what we have now in our public school education system
where they're taught ungodliness and all kinds of mind-controlling doctrines
[10:30]
to be controlled by evil, wicked men
[10:37]
so we wanted to, again, show you this
until next time, Lord willing, we will see you again.
....
Narrator:
There is actually a lot more details as to what was discovered with the new Mark papari, so I want to play this section of this video here where Josh McDowell explains a little bit about the process that they used and what are some of the texts that they discovered. It's really fascinating.
Josh:
This is the first day that I can show you this publicly. Here's those masks: look at that...
[0:30]That would fit over the head. All the paint you see there, girls, is actually gold.
Now, in a little bit I'm going to show you how we wash that gold right down the sink.
[0:42] Show the other one that goes with it...
In that mask are manuscripts. you say what?? Oh yeah, classical, biblical, old testament, New Testament.
Why? Well, they had professional people at the morgues, and they would go out, when they had a... they would go out into the community, into the trash to homes, into the businesses, and they would collect manuscripts.
[1:14]
Some of it was just town meetings, statistics, anything like that that was of manuscript form that was on papyrus.
And then they would take, and the way we would understand it, they would use it as "paper mache".
They would make these, you can almost say it is "papari mache". It's paper mache done with paparus.
[1:36]
and they would do four manuscripts, a layer of silk, another four manuscrpts, and a layer of silk
[1:40]
Now here is how you know the dating, for one: These masks were only done from 150 BC to 125 AD.
So you realize, any manuscripts in there are the oldest ever seen by human eyes?
That's the first time in 2000 years human eyes have seen these manuscripts.
[2:08]
It was in here that was discovered: Mark, the oldest ever discovered, back to the first century.
Before then it was 120 to 142, the John Ryland papyri.
[2:18]
Now, what you do, is you take these masks, scholars die when they hear it, but we own them, so we can do it,
we take these manuscripts, we soak them in water..! There is a process we use with huge microwaves to do it,
but it's not quite as good.
We put it down into water, can you put it up here too?
[2:39]
[mask in sink]
We put it down into water at a certain temperature, and you can only use Palmolive soap--the rest will start to destroy the manuscripts--Palmolive soap won't.
[2:52]
And you start massaging it for about 30 to 40 minutes.
You pull it out, and wring it out..these things are literally worth millions!
And you put it back in for about 30 to 40 minutes, and you pull it out, and this is what it will look like, just like a gob, it looks like a cattle.. a cow's head.
But that's all papyrus manuscripts, folks. Over 2000 years old.
And you start pulling it apart. You say "what??". yeah.
They are layered on top of each other. you start pulling them apart..keep going.
See, most scholars have never touched a manuscript, you have to have glove on and everything... here we just wash them,
and hold them in our hands. We don't
even make you wash your hands before.
[3:39]
See this is a manuscript right there.
A manuscript, by definition, is not an entire book.
It's a portion of a book. It can be just a little piece, to... we have one now that's 38 pages on Corinthians. Probably a greater discovery than the dead sea scrolls.
And, keep going...
[3:56]
Narrator:
Wow, did you just hear that? A whole..practically a whole scroll on Corinthians, he says. A greater discovery than the dead sea scrolls.
I imagine it is. Wow.
When we see that, it's going to be incredible.
[4:12]
This is all.., now, see my hand in the right hand [corner]... that's a pair of tweezers
And you take those tweezers and you start to pull those layers of manuscripts off.
I was so scared the first time I did it. It was last January. Or no, it was a little bit before then
[4:34]
"what if you tear it"? they said, "well, then you tear it.". Since we own it, it's OK.
So you pull the manuscripts off.
[4:45]
See, that in the center is red-lettered.
That's a very rare discovery. It's called a red-lettered Greek New Testament.
There are some of those big red letters were put across to identify it and everything.
Keep going here...
Now this here.. I'm down [there] and we have three classical scholars brought in because I'm not a classical scholar.
And they were there to help me to understand what we were doing.
[5:08]
So I called one of them over and I said, "I don't know... what do you think this is?"
[5:11]
He says, "Josh, there is another layer underneath."
"No there isn't"
"Josh, another layer".
So we soaked it in water just for a while, and start peeling it off That there is the oldest copy of the book of Romans by 125 years ever discovered.
[5:30]
Shots a hole in every liberal theology about Romans and when it was written and everything.
[5:36]
Narrator:
Yep, say bye-bye to higher criticism.
That's absolutely incredible right there, what he just said.
A hundred and some-odd years greater than the existing book of Romans we have.
Incredible!
The Lord is good!
He is doing marvelous things!
Keep listening:
[5:57]
It's incredible, and now I was so thankful,I mean,
if you're a scholar (and I am not), but if you are a scholar and you discover one manuscript like and that your name is put on it,
that makes your entire career--no! it literally is what you call a career maker.
Any one of these manuscripts is a career maker.
[6:19]
And the top scholar in the world was in my office the other day, and he brought in some new discoveries to look at and we're planning on doing two more of these masks December 5th and 6th
and he said, "Josh, I hate to say this, to you, but in the last mask, we broke your record.
We took it back another 25 years. The book of Romans. wow! Folks, do you realize what this means for the word of God?
[6:43]
It was hidden beneath another layer!
And then I'm doing this and I come across this one and it is very clear and well-done
and there were numbers between the two lines down here. So I call over this one scholar
and I say, you know, I'm not quite sure what this means, and he says haaaah!
You have just uncovered the first ever book one, page one of the Iliad by Homer.
And the first number said what book it was and the second said what page.
Folks, that's like dying and going to heaven.
[7:15]
And then, just keep going to the manuscripts here.
These are all out of one manuscript. Just keep going. Look at that!
This is incredible. 17 in six hours uncovered.
These are just biblical manuscripts.
and many other 30 some total manuscripts of the Iliad, and Homer, Sappho, some of you know the writer Sappho.
[7:50]
See there, how it just peels off. That's my finger underneath the one on the left there.
And you just peel them away.
[7:52]
Narrator:
You remember, some of you might have seen the debate between Wallace and Ehrman, and Wallace was saying that these discoveries had come to light, and Ehrman was kind of just sitting there wondering.
And since Bart Ehrman is probably the most popular higher critic of the day,
it's going to be really interesting to see what he says now.
Hopefully his doubts will go away.
[8:21]
Josh:
And then of course we put them in between paper towels, you dry it.
and you put it in glass to protect them.
The problem is, you can't ship these things in the mail, they are too valuable.
you have to pay all the expense of someone to fly with them.
You have got to keep someone with them, they are so valuable.
And have them dated and everything by Cambridge and Oxford, which are the top two in the world.
[8:46]
Narrator:
All right, so that's a little tid-bit of some more manuscripts.
The earliest book of Romans. That's so important because Paul outlines the gospel,
and, you know the book of Romans also is the refutation of roman Catholicism.
The gospel of grace is documented in the book of Romans.
[9:11]
so, again apart from the variants, if there are any in these manuscripts,
time will tell,
[9:19]
but from what they are saying, preliminary,
these are about as good as it gets
[9:25]
right now so we wanted to present this additional data
we're going to put this in our playlist on biblical evidence and facts,
[9:39]
and so we wanted to show you this little clip here
and tell you it's a great time to be alive.
The Bible is being confirmed,
(not that we who have living faith really needed it,)
[9:48]
but there are those again, as we've said,
that have been mind-controlled
by the public school educational brainwashing
[9:58]
which it really what it is, we have to say it honestly and sincerely,
people are being mind-controlled
[10:07]
in public education and it's all come down to us
by liberal higher critic scholars out of Germany after the reformation
[10:13]
and then this was swallowed, hook, line and sinker throughout the decades
and eventually led to what we have now in our public school education system
where they're taught ungodliness and all kinds of mind-controlling doctrines
[10:30]
to be controlled by evil, wicked men
[10:37]
so we wanted to, again, show you this
until next time, Lord willing, we will see you again.
Thursday, April 2, 2015
Trinity: Why Do You Call Me "Good"?
Muslims like to bring up the incident where someone called Jesus "good" (here it is):
As Jesus was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Why do you call Me good?” Jesus asked him.
“No one is good but One, that is, God.
--Mark 10:17-18
What Jesus is saying, then, is that this man was putting Him at the same level as God.
And Jesus is pointing this out.
For Muslims, this means that Jesus does not want to be called good because he is not God.
How should we as Christians say in reply?
What many people overlook is that Jesus taught against praising people, or receiving praise from others. So what the man did by calling Jesus "good teacher" was contrary to what Jesus taught.
For example, let's read from Matthew's gospel:
“ But don’t you be called ‘Rabbi,’ for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”
--Matt 23:8-12
So when the man addressed Jesus in a way that was contrary to what He taught, that really did require some response by Him.
But here is the real answer to the Muslim claim: There are several passages that specifically mention that people worshiped Jesus, and in them, we never find that Jesus discourages this.
For example here is the passage where Jesus had healed a blind man on the Sabbath day:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said,
‘Do you believe in the Son of man?’ He answered, ‘And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?’ Jesus said to him, ‘You have seen him, and it is he who speaks to you.’ He said, ‘Lord, I believe’; and he worshiped him."
--John 9:35-38
We see on the one hand Jesus teaching against receiving praise,
But on the other hand he allowed others to worship him.
We as disciples of Jesus do not believe that Jesus was a hypocrite,
so our only other explanation for this is that Jesus is,
in fact, God.
Another thing often overlooked is this:
After Jesus lists several commandments, he says:
He said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these from my youth.”
--Mark 10:20
In response, Jesus showed this person that his heart was spiritually not in the right place, because his riches were his idol:
“Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” But he was stunned at this demand, and he went away grieving, because he had many possessions.
--Mark 10:21
This can be found as a video:
http://youtu.be/NmYSj3clQP8
As Jesus was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Why do you call Me good?” Jesus asked him.
“No one is good but One, that is, God.
--Mark 10:17-18
What Jesus is saying, then, is that this man was putting Him at the same level as God.
And Jesus is pointing this out.
For Muslims, this means that Jesus does not want to be called good because he is not God.
How should we as Christians say in reply?
What many people overlook is that Jesus taught against praising people, or receiving praise from others. So what the man did by calling Jesus "good teacher" was contrary to what Jesus taught.
For example, let's read from Matthew's gospel:
“ But don’t you be called ‘Rabbi,’ for one is your teacher, the Christ, and all of you are brothers. Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven. Neither be called masters, for one is your master, the Christ. But he who is greatest among you will be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.”
--Matt 23:8-12
So when the man addressed Jesus in a way that was contrary to what He taught, that really did require some response by Him.
But here is the real answer to the Muslim claim: There are several passages that specifically mention that people worshiped Jesus, and in them, we never find that Jesus discourages this.
For example here is the passage where Jesus had healed a blind man on the Sabbath day:
"Jesus heard that they had cast him out, and having found him he said,
‘Do you believe in the Son of man?’ He answered, ‘And who is he, sir, that I may believe in him?’ Jesus said to him, ‘You have seen him, and it is he who speaks to you.’ He said, ‘Lord, I believe’; and he worshiped him."
--John 9:35-38
We see on the one hand Jesus teaching against receiving praise,
But on the other hand he allowed others to worship him.
We as disciples of Jesus do not believe that Jesus was a hypocrite,
so our only other explanation for this is that Jesus is,
in fact, God.
Another thing often overlooked is this:
After Jesus lists several commandments, he says:
He said to Him, “Teacher, I have kept all these from my youth.”
--Mark 10:20
In response, Jesus showed this person that his heart was spiritually not in the right place, because his riches were his idol:
“Go, sell all you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” But he was stunned at this demand, and he went away grieving, because he had many possessions.
--Mark 10:21
This can be found as a video:
http://youtu.be/NmYSj3clQP8
Friday, March 27, 2015
Mathematical Patterns In The Quran
In this debate, Jay Smith destroys the very old Muslim claim that the Quran is unchanged. Jay asserts the Quran that we have today is from 1924 and produced in Cairo:
https://youtu.be/fWHV9VnOJtc
In a previous debate Shabir Ally was willing to defend the Quran manuscripts, but now he at least twice declines to defend the older editions of the Quran, and bypasses a discussion of how the 1924 Quran is related to what Mohammed recited.
Instead he talks about mathematical patters in the Quran of today:
[1]
https://youtu.be/fWHV9VnOJtc?t=16m0s
What we look at is, the Quran that we hold in our hands today, regardless of the history,
because we can discuss that in detail and sometimes we get lost in the detail.
But when we pick up a copy of the Quran today, what academics usually refer to as the Egyptian edition of the Quran
[16:28] that is widespread, printed in Median and circulated for free,
we find that things in this Quran are arranged in mathematical patterns...
[2]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHV9VnOJtc&feature=youtu.be&t=53m40s
I want to look at the Quran as we have it now...
and say that, regardless of all of the history that Jay has talked about,
which requires some discussion and investigation, let's look at this book itself,
and ask, is there anything in this book that indicates its divine origins...
Are these "patterns" really a miracle?
For at least as long as Muslims have had the "99 names of Allah", there was a culture of counting words in the Quran. This is as old as the rosary-like prayer beads they use.
If Muslims were motivated to find the "mathematical patterns" in the Quran that Shabir Ally presented, then who is to say that they did not deliberately put them in in 1924?
The bottom line is that there is nothing in the Quran that was not capable of being constructed in 1924.
If they were making claims about 20 digit prime numbers, that would be one thing, but all they are claiming is just simple arithmetic and science that was well-known at the time.
The Cairo edition is not a miracle by 1924 standards, and Jay Smith points out that it may not even be a miracle by any standard.
Here he shows that patters of this sort are commonly found with enough effort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHV9VnOJtc&feature=youtu.be&t=1h50m40s
Also, it is a a good thing that Allah disguised the Quran as the sayings of someone who was ignorant of the Bible (5:116-117), lest the kuffars benefit from all the scientific insights in it and win all the Nobel prizes in science, rather than the Muslims.
http://simpleargumentsversusislam.blogspot.com/2014/08/islams-intellectual-contributions-to.html
Also, what was the evidence for the Quran before 1924?
https://youtu.be/fWHV9VnOJtc
In a previous debate Shabir Ally was willing to defend the Quran manuscripts, but now he at least twice declines to defend the older editions of the Quran, and bypasses a discussion of how the 1924 Quran is related to what Mohammed recited.
Instead he talks about mathematical patters in the Quran of today:
[1]
https://youtu.be/fWHV9VnOJtc?t=16m0s
What we look at is, the Quran that we hold in our hands today, regardless of the history,
because we can discuss that in detail and sometimes we get lost in the detail.
But when we pick up a copy of the Quran today, what academics usually refer to as the Egyptian edition of the Quran
[16:28] that is widespread, printed in Median and circulated for free,
we find that things in this Quran are arranged in mathematical patterns...
[2]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHV9VnOJtc&feature=youtu.be&t=53m40s
I want to look at the Quran as we have it now...
and say that, regardless of all of the history that Jay has talked about,
which requires some discussion and investigation, let's look at this book itself,
and ask, is there anything in this book that indicates its divine origins...
Are these "patterns" really a miracle?
For at least as long as Muslims have had the "99 names of Allah", there was a culture of counting words in the Quran. This is as old as the rosary-like prayer beads they use.
If Muslims were motivated to find the "mathematical patterns" in the Quran that Shabir Ally presented, then who is to say that they did not deliberately put them in in 1924?
The bottom line is that there is nothing in the Quran that was not capable of being constructed in 1924.
If they were making claims about 20 digit prime numbers, that would be one thing, but all they are claiming is just simple arithmetic and science that was well-known at the time.
The Cairo edition is not a miracle by 1924 standards, and Jay Smith points out that it may not even be a miracle by any standard.
Here he shows that patters of this sort are commonly found with enough effort:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWHV9VnOJtc&feature=youtu.be&t=1h50m40s
Also, it is a a good thing that Allah disguised the Quran as the sayings of someone who was ignorant of the Bible (5:116-117), lest the kuffars benefit from all the scientific insights in it and win all the Nobel prizes in science, rather than the Muslims.
http://simpleargumentsversusislam.blogspot.com/2014/08/islams-intellectual-contributions-to.html
Also, what was the evidence for the Quran before 1924?
Monday, March 23, 2015
Why were these gospels not written in the life of Jesus?
Why were these gospels not written in the life of Jesus?
Jesus is "the First and the Last, the One who was dead and came to life"
-- (Revelation 2:8). Jesus is not Dead! After he died on the cross, he rose again and kept right on ministering!
Jesus rose again and spoke to many people (1 Cor 15, Luke 24: 13)
The Book of Revelation was partly dictated to John, and partly revealed to John in a vision.
How do you know what language Jesus spoke in? The LXX, which was the Bible that was used in his day was in Greek, and all the people in Jesus' day knew that language. If the scriptures were read in Greek, then it is more likely that religious conversations would be in Greek.Why were they not written in Aramaic the language he and the people spoke and in which he preached?
In the Book of Revelation, mentioned above, Jesus describes himself like this:
"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end."
--Revelation 1:8.
The words Alpha and Omega are Greek distinctly words.
The word Gospel can refer to either the teaching about how Jesus paid the price for our sin, or it can refer to the four (books) biographies that were written about the life of Jesus.Why there are so many different gospels, every denomination has its own?
All Christian denominations use the same four biographies of Jesus.
Every local church wanted to have copies of these gospels, so they copied them and gave them to each other. Sometimes they translated them into their own language, like Latin or Syriac. There are about 5,800 manuscripts in the Greek language that we have today, and with the translations we have around 24,000 manuscripts (these are the numbers that Josh McDowell commonly cites). The Bible of today comes from careful study of these manuscripts.Why the gospel needs to be written and rewritten?
We are able to know around what year each of these manuscripts was written because every time period had subtle changes in script style. If any human were to have put changes into any of their copies of their gospels, they would not have been able to make their changes appear in all the manuscripts everywhere. Special scholars, called "textual critics", do nothing but study the small changes that exist between manuscripts in order to reconstruct the original text.Why the newer editions are written by human beings who use their bias in it. Why you don't see the way Christianity is today was not taught by Jesus.
At no time were all Bible manuscripts in the hands of one person or group. Nobody would ever have been able to change the Bible.
How much adjustment to the text of the Bible comes from textual critic scholars? The 1611 King James version (translation) was produced from about 12 manuscripts. 400+ years and 5788 manuscripts later, the King James version translation is still used by many people.
In Christianity we call a translation that was done by a committee a "version". If one person does it, it is called a "translation".
ALSO: note that it is not true that Jesus did not bring his own book. In fact, he did bring the book of Revelation to John his disciple. John signed his name in it (it is not anonymous).
It is the only book in the New Testament that contains a blessing for the reader:
"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it."
--Revelation 1:3
Saturday, March 21, 2015
Misinformation and lies by Yusuf Estes
This page shows various lies and disinformation by Yusuf Estes.
The last video on this page is absolutely devastating.
Can God have a Son? (Part 2 of 2) Former Christian Preacher Yusuf Estes
https://youtu.be/EkuZ1uW6Vq0?t=2m24s
First of all, and, this is very important to know, that their scriptures were not revealed in the English language,
so it's very unfair to have a dialogue talking about translations of something
that you know good and well there's no way that was it was ever in English language.
So you must immediately now go back to something that you translated from.
If you go back to the Latin, if you want to talk about the Latin translations,
or the translations to English from Latin you can immediately find serious problems
even if you all the way back to the time and Jerome when he did the Latin Vulgate
because this as good-- as an historical document is a fabulous thing-- but as far as being 100 percent accurate,
uh.. the Catholic Church themselves said we would never use this as the actual reference point for the Bible,
but it is a historical document, and a great document it is; there's no doubt about it.
What does the Latin Vulgate have to do with anything????
What we wanna say here now is that the Bible
as it came in the original form
doesn't exist today. Now, that should not be evidence for somebody to give up their faith and walk away.
I don't want that;
I've seen it happen to some of the scholars.
In fact most of the scholars, when they get to that point they just give up and say okay,
I'll be a Bible Scholar but I'm not going to be a Christian anymore. And one in
of the case in points that we've talked about in some of your other programs,
for those who didn't know it, Bart uh.. Eron is his name, was a
real born again --I guess-- Christian believing in the Bible as the absolute positive Word of God
and studied at The Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago
but then when he goes off to Princeton and learns from the archaeological..
finds the real manuscripts with a hands-on application
he says none of this is the real deal anymore we've been lied to!.....
[2:34]
Most Scholars, when they hear what Princeton teaches, stop being Christian?????
~~~~
Here David Wood shows how Yusuf Estes obfuscates on what the Quran teaches about killing Christians and Jews.
Yusuf Estes On violence and terrorism!
https://youtu.be/gQZN7Ikijo8
Yusuf Estes On violence and terrorism! 2
https://youtu.be/Fjz9ABNulY8
~~~~
In this video, Yusuf Estes either does not understand the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, or is misrepresenting it:
Does yusuf Estes know anything about Christianity?
https://youtu.be/KeIF9vli_To
~~~~
Dr. James White produced an amazing series of eight videos about misrepresentations of the Trinity by Yusuf Estes
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 1
https://youtu.be/b_hngrtfChI
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 2
https://youtu.be/8YamAD7Uhmc
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 3
https://youtu.be/2dRSpJAyrJA
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 4
https://youtu.be/ZWBk_XhFZfM
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 5
https://youtu.be/ZgISCRXECSw
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 6
https://youtu.be/PfANSmIw0mI
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 7
https://youtu.be/bFHl6wHjI6Q
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 8 (Conclusion)
https://youtu.be/BWFStI16WQk
~~~~
Yusuf Estes and the lies about embryology
http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/09/yusuf-estes-and-lies-about-embryology.html
~~~~
This shows deliberate lies and deception by Yusuf Estes (must watch!!!):
The Deen Show Deception 2 - Yusuf Estes lies about Muhammad's marriage to Aisha
https://youtu.be/eF7oUYsh7Vg
The last video on this page is absolutely devastating.
Can God have a Son? (Part 2 of 2) Former Christian Preacher Yusuf Estes
https://youtu.be/EkuZ1uW6Vq0?t=2m24s
First of all, and, this is very important to know, that their scriptures were not revealed in the English language,
so it's very unfair to have a dialogue talking about translations of something
that you know good and well there's no way that was it was ever in English language.
So you must immediately now go back to something that you translated from.
If you go back to the Latin, if you want to talk about the Latin translations,
or the translations to English from Latin you can immediately find serious problems
even if you all the way back to the time and Jerome when he did the Latin Vulgate
because this as good-- as an historical document is a fabulous thing-- but as far as being 100 percent accurate,
uh.. the Catholic Church themselves said we would never use this as the actual reference point for the Bible,
but it is a historical document, and a great document it is; there's no doubt about it.
What does the Latin Vulgate have to do with anything????
What we wanna say here now is that the Bible
as it came in the original form
doesn't exist today. Now, that should not be evidence for somebody to give up their faith and walk away.
I don't want that;
I've seen it happen to some of the scholars.
In fact most of the scholars, when they get to that point they just give up and say okay,
I'll be a Bible Scholar but I'm not going to be a Christian anymore. And one in
of the case in points that we've talked about in some of your other programs,
for those who didn't know it, Bart uh.. Eron is his name, was a
real born again --I guess-- Christian believing in the Bible as the absolute positive Word of God
and studied at The Moody Bible Institute here in Chicago
but then when he goes off to Princeton and learns from the archaeological..
finds the real manuscripts with a hands-on application
he says none of this is the real deal anymore we've been lied to!.....
[2:34]
Most Scholars, when they hear what Princeton teaches, stop being Christian?????
~~~~
Here David Wood shows how Yusuf Estes obfuscates on what the Quran teaches about killing Christians and Jews.
Yusuf Estes On violence and terrorism!
https://youtu.be/gQZN7Ikijo8
Yusuf Estes On violence and terrorism! 2
https://youtu.be/Fjz9ABNulY8
~~~~
In this video, Yusuf Estes either does not understand the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity, or is misrepresenting it:
Does yusuf Estes know anything about Christianity?
https://youtu.be/KeIF9vli_To
~~~~
Dr. James White produced an amazing series of eight videos about misrepresentations of the Trinity by Yusuf Estes
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 1
https://youtu.be/b_hngrtfChI
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 2
https://youtu.be/8YamAD7Uhmc
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 3
https://youtu.be/2dRSpJAyrJA
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 4
https://youtu.be/ZWBk_XhFZfM
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 5
https://youtu.be/ZgISCRXECSw
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 6
https://youtu.be/PfANSmIw0mI
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 7
https://youtu.be/bFHl6wHjI6Q
Yusuf Estes on the Deen Show: Part 8 (Conclusion)
https://youtu.be/BWFStI16WQk
~~~~
Yusuf Estes and the lies about embryology
http://rationalislam.blogspot.com/2012/09/yusuf-estes-and-lies-about-embryology.html
~~~~
This shows deliberate lies and deception by Yusuf Estes (must watch!!!):
The Deen Show Deception 2 - Yusuf Estes lies about Muhammad's marriage to Aisha
https://youtu.be/eF7oUYsh7Vg
Can God Have a Son? +
Muslims object to of the phrase "son of God". This is because, in reading the Quran, you would think that Christians believe that Jesus is the Biological son of God the Father. For example:
He neither begets nor is begotten.
--Surah 112:3
This may be the most popular of all Muslim objections to Christianity. You need to be prepared for this.
Yes, Jesus is called the "Son of God". In fact, he is the unique (monogenes) son of God (John 3:16).
The phrase "son of God" applies not just to Jesus, but to potentially anyone:
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
--John 1:12
So the word, "son" is clearly intended as symbolic. Even the Quran admits that the word "son" can have symbolic meaning as 2:177 uses the phrase "son of the road" to mean someone who travels a lot.
He neither begets nor is begotten.
--Surah 112:3
This may be the most popular of all Muslim objections to Christianity. You need to be prepared for this.
Yes, Jesus is called the "Son of God". In fact, he is the unique (monogenes) son of God (John 3:16).
The phrase "son of God" applies not just to Jesus, but to potentially anyone:
But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
--John 1:12
So the word, "son" is clearly intended as symbolic. Even the Quran admits that the word "son" can have symbolic meaning as 2:177 uses the phrase "son of the road" to mean someone who travels a lot.
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